Forums - Blackheart Show all 80 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Fighting Game Discussion (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8) -- Blackheart (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1727) Posted by Lord Doom on 03:29:2001 09:34 AM: Blackheart is one of my favorite characters. But there is one thing that I love about him. When you jump up and throw demons some people will continually jump into them or walk into them. A friend of mine says that they did block damage to them. Why do people feel the need to run into the demons thus setting up their deaths so frequently? NOW YOU FACE DOOM! http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif Posted by Kao_ Ryuu on 03:29:2001 09:36 AM: your friend and all the others that fit the script you mentioned are obviosly scrubs. no skilled player walks right into BH's demons. BTW, they do NO block damage. " Feel the Power of the Kage Ryuu!" Posted by Mech Zangief Master on 03:29:2001 09:37 AM: BH is as cheap as they come if i want to win i use him only 4 his assist using that and ice beam is a total pain in the ass And in case u did'nt know this is a sboat Dan 3:16"Die Agent Guile" Posted by Lord Doom on 03:29:2001 09:42 AM: Thats what I told him, he does no real block damage until the InfernoXXHeart Of Darkness. Do you think just the fact they can't really hit him makes people lose their patience with him and forget about things. Oh BTW, Iwouldn't call my friend a "scrub," he's pretty good for someone that picked up the game seriously about a couple of weeks ago. I've been trying to teach him Blackheart and show him his weaknesses. Thats part of what this post is for. NOW YOU FACE DOOM! http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif Posted by CykoClops on 03:29:2001 02:22 PM: quote: Originally posted by Lord Doom: Blackheart is one of my favorite characters. But there is one thing that I love about him. When you jump up and throw demons some people will continually jump into them or walk into them. A friend of mine says that they did block damage to them. Why do people feel the need to run into the demons thus setting up their deaths so frequently? NOW YOU FACE DOOM! <IMG SRC="http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif"> i've never played anyone who runs into my demons, he is obviously a scrub http://home.iprimus.com.au/dittmanshum/cykoclops.gif Posted by SieClayton on 03:29:2001 06:01 PM: so how do you get past blackheart then. just sit and wait for him to fill up his meter and do the heart of darkness and demons forever. i don't think so. you have to attack him in the beginning or else your in trouble. and it is very easy to walk into the demons if in a super jump. so if you guys are so smart tell me how to beat him without using cable. Fuck what you heard! Who's the best? Play the Game and you'll soon find out. All of your patterns mean nothing to me. Play the damn game! Posted by Nate X Grey on 03:29:2001 07:43 PM: Eh... I do run into demons actually! Sometimes I'll mistime a dash or air dash or anticipate BH's air dash(since it cancels his demons) wrong and run into some demons. DefiNATEly NOT Cable... Posted by Zerogun on 03:29:2001 10:21 PM: quote: Originally posted by Lord Doom: Thats what I told him, he does no real block damage until the InfernoXXHeart Of Darkness. Do you think just the fact they can't really hit him makes people lose their patience with him and forget about things. Oh BTW, Iwouldn't call my friend a "scrub," he's pretty good for someone that picked up the game seriously about a couple of weeks ago. I've been trying to teach him Blackheart and show him his weaknesses. Thats part of what this post is for. NOW YOU FACE DOOM! <IMG SRC="http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif"> Naw.. the reason why so many people tend to run into the demons is to try to throw BH off his momentum. All the while that he is pinning you down with his demons (Even if they don't do block damage) he's also charging up some serious super meter. This is why BH is so dangerous. So he get's you pinned down.. while he's calling out some chipping assist (like doom) AND at the same time he's building meter! I would Use BH to charge up all five meters then switch to Kobun and you'll see a whole character go down in block damage alone! Posted by Maximum Burst on 03:29:2001 11:11 PM: You know what is funny is that most of the people on this site that call somebody a scrub are actually a scrub themselves. The sleeper has awaken!!! http://ripsrus.retrogames.com/izgenesis/sonk_supersonicstand.gif I am the Prince of all Saiya-jins. Posted by DivineJudgement on 03:29:2001 11:22 PM: If you realy want to school some one with blackheart then this is what you do: Pick Blackheart on his AA type just in case he does get pounded then pick any charcter of your choosing perferibly a good charcter with a good AA. Make your last charcter cyclops on his AA assist,now put blackheart in first.When your fighting as black heart you can either run away throwing deamons and using the cyclops AA assist or you can constantly jump in with light punch and light kick while calling out cyclops and it will normally combo in. If cyclops hits your opponent then this is a perfect time to start up Blackhearts deamon infinite!Or you could just hit them with the deamons into an inferno heart of darkness combo. This is how AK plays,but I got blackheart down pat.He is sooooooo CHEAP!! http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/divine.gif You can run but in Time I Will Find You... Posted by Maximum Burst on 03:30:2001 12:08 AM: It does not take much to school somebody with blackheart. All you have to do is have an assist that does a lot of block damage such as doom. Call out the assist hyper jump up and throw out demons. Block Damage thanks to doom or any assist. Then if the Demons hit it is over cause next is probably a heart of darkness coming your way. Posted by Jin1 on 03:30:2001 12:12 AM: Blackheart is the coolest. Throwing demon frustrates people especially when Ihave Doom as a assist. Chip that life away. Posted by Naslectronical on 03:30:2001 12:27 AM: quote: Originally posted by SieClayton: so how do you get past blackheart then. just sit and wait for him to fill up his meter and do the heart of darkness and demons forever. i don't think so. you have to attack him in the beginning or else your in trouble. and it is very easy to walk into the demons if in a super jump. so if you guys are so smart tell me how to beat him without using cable. Cable's not the only one who can beat Blackheart. A few of my favorites are Storm, Doom, Spiral, and Cyclops. Storm can run from him all day with typhoons + assist. And when she gets meter she can chip him assist XX typhoon XX hailstorm. And if he tries to chip with Inferno XX HOD, she can air dash out of the way. And if Storm's got a lead of atleast a half a lifebar, it's over. Doom can seriously outchip Blackheart. All Doom has to do is get above him, which isn't hard at all. Doom can superjump and airdash straight up and rain photons all over Blackheart, because he can't get up that high. And if Blackheart tries Inferno XX HOD, Doom can airdash out of the way and Photon array his ass. Spiral can teleport out of his Inferno XX HOD and kick the shit out him. The same thing when he's throwing demons. And last but not least, Cyclops can run from him all day with superjumping and double jumping HK, and then when he gets meter, he MOB, which does more chip damage than Inferno XX HOD. . . . . . . Killer of scrubs, assholes who get in my way, and annoying "keep-away" characters. Posted by Naslectronical on 03:30:2001 01:06 AM: Also: Strider/Doom trap: Omce this is started, there's nothing Blackheart can do about it. If Strider has 1 level, Blackheart loses about 1/3 of his life. If Strider has 2 levels, Blackheart loses about 2/3, and if Strider has 3.25 levels, Blackheart's dead, just like that. Iceman: Icebeam goes right through Blackheart's demons. And Inferno XX HOD is useless because Iceman takes absolutely no block damage from it. Iceman can fill the screen with Icebeams, Arctic Attacks, and Snowballs, get the lead by about half a lifebar, and it's over. . . . . . Killer of scrubs, assholes who get in my way, and annoying "keep-away" characters. Posted by KusanagiClan on 03:30:2001 02:42 AM: Naslectronical, I seriously doubt storm or doom could runaway from blackheart all day like you suggested. For the little chip if any damage landed from storms typhoons, one infernoXXhod, blocked or not will more than make up for it. Storm also has crap stamina, meaning two or three landed inferno's will mean death, and landing inferonos isn't as hard as you make it out to be either, that's mainly why blackie's one of the best assists, especially against runaway storms and such. Not to say that storm can't beat BH, she could rush his ass down as soon as he gets his ass down from throwing all those demons. Storm's also one of the better rushdown characters with her triangle jumping, so really no need to runaway. As for doom, he's safe to throw out photons all day against most characters with the exception of people like blackheart...throwing photons will pretty much invite blackheart to inferno you. Unless you do the photon array super and try to trade hits or something, this doesn't sound like a good strategy for doom. You also mentioned mashing rh with cyc all day...not even remotely threatening to blackheart, once again, inferno straight up cyc's ass. I agree with all your other recommendations with the exception of the three listed above. I also think Magneto would have a relatively easy fight against blackheart, assuming your able to keep blackheart grounded long enough to rush him down. http://www.crosswinds.net/~vincentc/kofKyoAnimated6.gif The killing fields of Ca... Posted by Maximum Burst on 03:30:2001 02:54 AM: Storm's Stamina is Gutter Trash. Posted by Lord Doom on 03:30:2001 03:26 AM: Thats funny. I agree thatit is possible for Storm, Cable, Doom, Spiral, and perhaps Magneto and Cyclops can beat him. The only real threat to my Blackheart still remains Cable, thats it. I respect the others except that whack ass Strider Doom trap, I can see that thing coming and my Blackheart teammates Magneto and Doom can take care of that no problem. NOW YOU FACE DOOM! http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif Posted by BarrelO on 03:30:2001 03:45 AM: As far as I can tell, Blackheart's only absolutely horrid match is against Iceman. None of Blackheart's attacks do any chip damage on him, and as Nas pointed out, the Icebeam goes through his demons. If he gets any kind of lead, it's over. Blackheart also has issues with Cable and Storm, but hey, who doesn't? BarrelO: The Bleeding-Heart Pussy http://freepages.ugo.com/propaganda/files/barrellogo.gif Abortions don't kill babies. I kill babies. Posted by DivineJudgement on 03:30:2001 03:54 AM: quote: Originally posted by Maximum Burst: It does not take much to school somebody with blackheart. All you have to do is have an assist that does a lot of block damage such as doom. Call out the assist hyper jump up and throw out demons. Block Damage thanks to doom or any assist. Then if the Demons hit it is over cause next is probably a heart of darkness coming your way. I dont know what you are talking about doom is a horrible assist for blackheart compared to cyclops any way useing black heart as a chip damage charecter is just taking away from his real value. http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/divine.gif You can run but in Time I Will Find You... Posted by DivineJudgement on 03:30:2001 03:57 AM: the best charcters to take down blackheart are sentinal and doom all other charcters get trashed. http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/divine.gif You can run but in Time I Will Find You... Posted by Naslectronical on 03:30:2001 04:13 AM: quote: Originally posted by KusanagiClan: Naslectronical, I seriously doubt storm or doom could runaway from blackheart all day like you suggested. For the little chip if any damage landed from storms typhoons, one infernoXXhod, blocked or not will more than make up for it. Storm also has crap stamina, meaning two or three landed inferno's will mean death, and landing inferonos isn't as hard as you make it out to be either, that's mainly why blackie's one of the best assists, especially against runaway storms and such. Not to say that storm can't beat BH, she could rush his ass down as soon as he gets his ass down from throwing all those demons. Storm's also one of the better rushdown characters with her triangle jumping, so really no need to runaway. As for doom, he's safe to throw out photons all day against most characters with the exception of people like blackheart...throwing photons will pretty much invite blackheart to inferno you. Unless you do the photon array super and try to trade hits or something, this doesn't sound like a good strategy for doom. You also mentioned mashing rh with cyc all day...not even remotely threatening to blackheart, once again, inferno straight up cyc's ass. I agree with all your other recommendations with the exception of the three listed above. I also think Magneto would have a relatively easy fight against blackheart, assuming your able to keep blackheart grounded long enough to rush him down. That's very true. I wasn't saying that Storm and Doom absolutely kicked Blackheart's ass for free, I was just saying that they were characters that have a good chance to beat Blackheart. With Doom, I didn't mean photoning him while he was on the ground because like you said, that's just asking to get infernoed. What I meant was since Blackheart is always super-jumping to throw the demons, Doom can super-jump with him and air dash up and start throwing photons while they're both in the air. Because Blackheart can't get that high, he falls and has to block photons all the way down to the ground. What I was really trying to say is that Doom has a good chance against him because he's better at controlling space. Storm can still beat him like you said, I mainly think she can becaue she's just overall better than Blackheart. I still think Spiral and Iceman are really bad match-ups for him. Spiral because she can teleport out of all his mess, and Blackheart's bulk will absorb her wall of swords trap. Iceman because he can out-turtle and out-chip Blackheart. By the way, Sentinel vs. Blackheart. Who has the advantage here? . . . . . . Killer of scrubs, assholes who get in my way, and annoying "keep-away" characters. Posted by Lord Doom on 03:30:2001 04:23 AM: I disagree with the statement Doom is not a good partner for him. First Blackheart and Doom destroy Iceman. Sure he may him one of them, but he can't hit both. Plus Doom's rocks have the ability to lift them into Blackheart's RK thus setting up his infinite, air combo, or InfernoXXHeart of Darkness/Armageddon. NOW YOU FACE DOOM! http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif Posted by BrazilionBH on 03:30:2001 05:52 AM: ill own you all with BH!!! Posted by DivineJudgement on 03:30:2001 06:03 AM: I want to second BrazilionBH we be maryland playas that will own you with are Blackheart skills! Blackheart Rises <IMG SRC="http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/divine.gif"> You can run but in Time I Will Find You... [This message has been edited by DivineJudgement (edited 03-29-2001).] Posted by strider hiryu 002000 on 03:30:2001 06:04 AM: sorry your friends a scrub,no doubt about it. Black heart is a bad ass charachter on assist only but i can make him live up to his name with his infinates. what a deadly deadly charachter [This message has been edited by strider hiryu 002000 (edited 03-29-2001).] Posted by DivineJudgement on 03:30:2001 06:07 AM: quote: Originally posted by strider hiryu 002000: sorry your friends a scrub,no doubt about it. Black heart is a bad ass charachter on assist only but i can make him live up to his name with his infinates. what a deadly deadly charachter [This message has been edited by strider hiryu 002000 (edited 03-29-2001).] Fuck you whore ill own your punk ass with my Blackheart! [This message has been edited by DivineJudgement (edited 03-29-2001).] Posted by BrazilionBH on 03:30:2001 06:12 AM: shut up struder hiripo... Posted by BrazilionBH on 03:30:2001 06:13 AM: your mother was a lama Posted by mondu_the_fat on 03:30:2001 07:24 AM: ...tell me how to beat him without using cable. Ice Man. Without a physically damaging assist, this is a no-brainer in Iceman's favor. BH has no attacks that can damage Iceman. The only way for BH to win is if he manages to sneak in a HoD (which, of cource, any iceman worth his salt expects). Any teleport character. Strider has a field day against BH, even if Doom is covering his ass. Spiral has a harder time. Sentinel's FP and Rocket punch can hit through the demons. Hulk can Gamma Crush through them. Storm's projectile can also go through the demons. Her lightning attack XX Super can go over the demos. Captain Commando's sword Super or Corridor eats a jumping BH if timed properly. Same goes true with Ken's DP assist. And finally, ever seen a good Colossus (did I get the spelling right ?) player ? He ploughs right through the demons like a scythe. It isn't even funny. Sorry man, if anyone keeps on running into the demons that guy is a scrub. Really, BH has a hard time being point. Posted by mondu_the_fat on 03:30:2001 07:31 AM: Cyclops ? Against Blackheart ? This is a suicidal battle--BH owns this one. Say Cyclops super jumps and does a RH kick. BAM. He's dead with a inferno xx HoD. There's no way Cyclops can build meter with any degree of safety. Posted by DarthSalamander on 03:30:2001 07:35 AM: quote: Originally posted by Maximum Burst: Storm's Stamina is Gutter Trash. Storm's stamina is 106%. Not great, but it is not gutter trash. Now Roll, at 137%, is gutter trash. "You spoony bard!" - Tellah(he died for you) Posted by Lord Doom on 03:30:2001 08:32 AM: I have yet to lose to an Iceman player with Blackheart and Doom. Doom chips for you while you keep him locked down. Against Strider how can Strider get to the top of the screen. Sure he teleport under me but if Doom is under me then what. He lands on Doom and it starts over. Spiral has a better chance since she can at least teleport above you. Storm can cause problems. So can Doom and Magneto. Colossus cannot beat Blackheart, a smart Blackheart player that is. NOW YOU FACE DOOM! http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif Posted by DeathFromAbove on 03:30:2001 10:20 AM: Blackheart is good on point. He loses to Cable at point, and sometimes Spiral or Doom, but he gives everyone else a good run for their money. Also, he can be used about 3 different ways. (1)He can do the whole stalling by raining demons thing (a sort-of runaway, sort-of trap). (2)He can run by doing normal jumps and fierces, with a good chipping assist, against most characters. (chip to death, and build meter) (3)He can rush the opponent, starting from the air, and attempt to land his infinite. (go for the kill) Y'all keep arguing that he should be used one way or the other, but the fact is that you should use all three, just use them against the appropriate people. IMO, the worst thing about Blackheart is that he's too reliant on his assists. 'Nuff Said. -DFA Posted by monk_one on 03:30:2001 02:42 PM: ummmm obviously none of u guys play a serious Bh point game a) commandos assist is better in my opinion to use with bh -capcoms aaa is a real pain in the ass for magneto, storm , sentinel and doom -it combos off lk, lk and the cap. corridor can be comboed into infernoxxHoD -bh can still infinite off capcom, but he needs to call capcom early and sj before capcom animation b)keep in mind u play a cross up style with BH, this an cause mad confusion and staying close is where capcom deals the most damage to assist and point chars. throw cable or sentinel in the middle to use meter and your all set BH's weakness are capcom aaa, and cable, only storm if u just pattern RH all day(your gonna get hail stormed) these guys have the advantage, but bh wont get owned for free. http://www.draizen.com/images/Monk%20Signature.bmp Posted by monk_one on 03:30:2001 02:47 PM: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Doom: [B]. Against Strider how can Strider get to the top of the screen. Sure he teleport under me but if Doom is under me then what. He lands on Doom and it starts over. QUOTE] ouroboros with that jet pack thing strider does u/f will bring bh down also anyteam that doesnt use capcom with doom strider is strange http://www.draizen.com/images/Monk%20Signature.bmp Posted by Lord Doom on 03:30:2001 07:07 PM: Then what. I've never been afraid of strider/doom, you can beat that shit by jumping. Strider will not beat a good Blackheart player. And neither will Iceman. NOW YOU FACE DOOM! http://www.dragonballmanga.hpg.com.br/gifs/gohangif1.gif Posted by SieClayton on 03:30:2001 07:21 PM: quote: Originally posted by Naslectronical: Cable's not the only one who can beat Blackheart. A few of my favorites are Storm, Doom, Spiral, and Cyclops. Storm can run from him all day with typhoons + assist. And when she gets meter she can chip him assist XX typhoon XX hailstorm. And if he tries to chip with Inferno XX HOD, she can air dash out of the way. And if Storm's got a lead of atleast a half a lifebar, it's over. Doom can seriously outchip Blackheart. All Doom has to do is get above him, which isn't hard at all. Doom can superjump and airdash straight up and rain photons all over Blackheart, because he can't get up that high. And if Blackheart tries Inferno XX HOD, Doom can airdash out of the way and Photon array his ass. Spiral can teleport out of his Inferno XX HOD and kick the shit out him. The same thing when he's throwing demons. And last but not least, Cyclops can run from him all day with superjumping and double jumping HK, and then when he gets meter, he MOB, which does more chip damage than Inferno XX HOD. . . . . . . Killer of scrubs, assholes who get in my way, and annoying "keep-away" characters. sit there if you want to with storm and throw out a damned typhoon and watch what happens..oh blackheart jumped over it and threw some demons on your ass and then..oh landed and threw the pillar of ice so now you cant jump into theheart of darkness. fight loor doom's blackheart then you'll see what i'm talking about Fuck what you heard! Who's the best? Play the Game and you'll soon find out. All of your patterns mean nothing to me. Play the damn game! Posted by SieClayton on 03:30:2001 07:24 PM: quote: Originally posted by DivineJudgement: I dont know what you are talking about doom is a horrible assist for blackheart compared to cyclops any way useing black heart as a chip damage charecter is just taking away from his real value. <IMG SRC="http://psychosquall.homestead.com/files/divine.gif"> You can run but in Time I Will Find You... doom is a horrible assist compared to who...not doom anti air. mabye to dan fireball assist is horrible compared to the viper beam. Fuck what you heard! Who's the best? Play the Game and you'll soon find out. All of your patterns mean nothing to me. Play the damn game! Posted by SieClayton on 03:30:2001 07:29 PM: how can cap commando do the corridor if he can't get under blackheart. think about it. jump up demons don't do straight down , then go down at an angle. do a damned corridor if you want to and get hit by mad demons Fuck what you heard! Who's the best? Play the Game and you'll soon find out. All of your patterns mean nothing to me. Play the damn game! Posted by Naslectronical on 03:30:2001 09:00 PM: quote: Originally posted by SieClayton: sit there if you want to with storm and throw out a damned typhoon and watch what happens..oh blackheart jumped over it and threw some demons on your ass and then..oh landed and threw the pillar of ice so now you cant jump into theheart of darkness. fight loor doom's blackheart then you'll see what i'm talking about Fuck what you heard! Who's the best? Play the Game and you'll soon find out. All of your patterns mean nothing to me. Play the damn game! If you would actually read the thread, dumb fuck, you'd know that I denounced that statement in my second post on the first page. And Storm still gives him problems. And I wasn't talking about horizontal typhoons, I was talking about vertical typhoons. And Iceman still handles Blackheart even if he has Doom. . . . . . . Killer of scrubs, assholes who get in my way, and annoying "keep-away" characters. Posted by Jin1 on 03:31:2001 03:16 AM: I'm pretty good with BH and people like storm, Iceman, and cyclops are not a problem at all. The only person I have trouble fighting is a good Cable player, thats all. Posted by Lord Doom on 03:31:2001 04:48 AM: I'm with Jin, Iceman sux against Blackheart. The icebeam doesn't go all the way up and yes Cable is the only character I fear. I'd love to see a vertical typhoon against me, PLEASE DO THAT. You do know how long it takes that damn thing to come out right. The only thing that you EVER have to be careful with Storm is her Hail Storm, thats it. And SieClayton is right, lets see you catch my Blackheart with CapCom, that Captain Corridor doesn't reach full screen and you just either wasted a super to cover it or got hit, your choice. peace. Posted by DeathFromAbove on 03:31:2001 04:58 AM: Did someone here say that Storm beats Blackheart at point? NO WAY! Obviously, you're a skeptic, so here's some reasons: She can't runaway from him well, cuz she has to constantly watch for Infernos (which isn't easy when Blackheart isn't visible on-screen). She has to try to rush him down. That's a problem, since Blackheart owns the space in front of him, and most of normal jump height. Give Blackheart a good AAA, and he definitely has the upperhand in this case. Storm can't trap him worth shit. So, she can't run, can't trap, and is only slightly effective at rushdown. Are you seeing the problem? Sure, she might bring Blackheart down from superjumps occasionally with a vertical typhoon, but Blackheart TOTALLY controls the space in this match. There's more to Blackheart's game than superjumping roundhouse. If he sticks near to the ground, and concentrates on hopping around with Fierce demons, he wins this match. As a matter of fact, unless Storm is packing a beam projectile assist, he wins VERY convincingly. One last thing, what's your Storm team? With the right assists, of course Blackheart is beatable. But in most cases, Blackheart wins (including 1 on 1). FYI, Blackheart is usually assist only on my teams, but I do play a Blackheart-b/Cyclops-AAA/Anakaris-y, that features Blackheart as the primary point man. Go on, ridicule my Anakaris. OK, I'm out. -DFA Posted by Mr. Smellypants on 03:31:2001 05:33 AM: Ok, most of you guys are smoking crack. Storm owns BH for free, if bh jumps and throws RH demons all day, hailstorm will kill him easily. When he throws out his second set, BH doesn't recover (able to block) until is is about 1 inch from the ground. As a matter of fact if u throw out hailstorm as soon as he takes off and anticipate the demons, he screwed. Iceman also owns BH for free, throw the diagonal up icebeam and his demons aren't shit, like it has also been said, BH cant do anything to chip iceman. CapCom especially owns BH for free, if bh is in the air do cap sword or cap corridor, even if corridor doesn't hit him it will cancel out the demons. If BH is on the ground keep throwing out the qcf+HK captain helper (the spinning guy) and he can't jump. You can just chip him all day with that helper or make him sit there ducking. If he plays BH, cyc rushdown a jin or capcom AAA will totally snuff him out. Not to mention BH gets totally eaten by traps. As a point char BH pretty much gets owned to hell. (unless your fighting jill, guile, akuma) Posted by Maximum Burst on 03:31:2001 08:55 AM: BH owns practically everybody and anybody I do not know what you are talking about smelly pants. In fact i think the smell got to your brain. The only person who really presents a problem 1 on 1 is Cable. Even then he still has trouble. Posted by Zeo on 03:31:2001 09:28 AM: If BH owns everyone for free then how come the best players in the world , like Duc do, dont use him? Some of you are talking about which move beats which. That is the talk of scrubs. It does not matter what moves the characters have if you dont have skill you will still lose. Its all bout skill!not what you can do and how you can counter it. That kind of conversation will just end up lasting for ever Posted by Maximum Burst on 03:31:2001 09:39 AM: You are right zeo but you know what. If you can use bh skillfully than what is the difference. Have you ever thought that maybe Duc just does not like him or does not have a place for him in a lineup. Just cause the Cali players do not use a character does not meant that that character is not good. Posted by Lord Doom on 03:31:2001 02:22 PM: I have seen some other people from Cali use BH well in tourneys. Besides alot of people hate BH cause they think that he's "cheap" much the same thing with Cable. Personally though, the only character that can eat up my BH is Cable, thats it. Posted by AK on 03:31:2001 05:09 PM: bh Don't go to the WC if you're looking for BH/cyc =) I think the best reason to use BH is his laugh when he does HOD. Posted by Cpt.Cat on 03:31:2001 06:29 PM: I havent actully red all of this reply but i red enough to know that BH isnt a cheap char. It all depends on how you use him. That saying goes with every character...... Posted by Zazzarius on 03:31:2001 09:15 PM: yeah, i remember when i first played mvc2 and picked blackheart. sure he looked cool, but he's a slow walker and a massive target. and i thought: "this guy sucks!" of course i learned later that you should never EVER walk with blackheart. and learning inferno helped alot too. just gotta use him right Posted by Jin1 on 04:01:2001 12:57 AM: With a good assist like Doom with BH he can't be beaten. I've used BH so much I can even take out great magneto, storm, as yes even CapCom players. Posted by DeathFromAbove on 04:01:2001 03:06 AM: Lord Doom: For the record, what Blackheart team are we discussing here? BH/Doom plays very differently than BH/Cyke, after all. Then there's BH/Sent, BH/Spiral, etc. Or are we talking 1 on 1, at the end of a match? It's virtually impossible to discuss just "Blackheart" Posted by Lord Doom on 04:01:2001 05:12 PM: We are basically discussing all of those. I wanna get your opinions on strategies that you use against and for Blackheart. I personally use my Blackheart with Doom/Magneto. I run with him and call out Doom's AAA. If I end up getting close to someone I jab and short my way away and start over again. Posted by Jin1 on 04:01:2001 07:14 PM: I play the same way Lord Doom plays but I add a few Inferals with Heart of Darknesses here and there. Posted by Lord Doom on 04:01:2001 08:08 PM: Forgot to add, I also use the occasional InfernoXXHOD or InfernoXXArmageddon. Posted by Maximum Burst on 04:01:2001 09:21 PM: InfernoXXHOD That is where it's at. Posted by DarthSalamander on 04:01:2001 10:42 PM: quote: Originally posted by Zeo If BH owns everyone for free then how come the best players in the world , like Duc do, dont use him? Some of you are talking about which move beats which. That is the talk of scrubs. It does not matter what moves the characters have if you dont have skill you will still lose. Its all bout skill!not what you can do and how you can counter it. That kind of conversation will just end up lasting for ever http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/sho...p?threadid=9864 1st Alex "CaliPower" Valle - Blackheart/Sentinel/Commando 2nd Duc "Ducvader" Do - Spiral/Cable/Sentinel 3rd Rattana Phantarouh - Cable/Iceman/Doom 4th Toan "tone" Nguyen - Cable/Storm/Commando 5th Jay "Viscant" Snyder - Storm/Sentinel/Doom 5th Long "shadyk" Tran - Strider/Cable/Doom Posted by Naslectronical on 04:01:2001 11:05 PM: Blackheart's definitely top-tier, but low top-tier. Out of the eight top tier characters I'd rank him 7th, one rung above Cyclops. Cable, Spiral, Doom, Storm, Magneto, Sentinel, Strider(w/Doom), Iron Man, War Machine, Capt. Commando, and especially Iceman all give him problems. And a Blackheart or Commando anti-air assist gives him lots of trouble as well. He has to superjump to throw demons and build meter, and these assists knock him out of the air. He can't avoid them, his air dash is too slow, and he can't cancel his dash. Fight fire with fire. He's still top-tier, though Posted by tempest on 04:02:2001 01:40 AM: ok i undersatnd that ice man beams can hurt bh demon throw and you can't chip him unless you have doom which most bh players team up with is doom so thats pretty much over for iceman, ok i can see somebody like magento, storm air dashing around bh :: crazy idea but still only thing i disagree is useing storm vertical typhoon, cuz of lag i mean it can dent him but takes to long and most bh players are all over the place and inforno will stop storm from trying runway and throw vertical typhoons and then into HODXX. but me presonally to stop bh you have control the space and ground bh . you know though i never seen colossues player vs bh player i think if he has super armor on him thats only thing i can think of i think doom vs bh will be who can chip who quicker and yes now lets talk bout skills. ok be really skillful in useing characters ypu have know his movies , timing strength and weakness and etc thats what we were talking bout . and people use bh in tounrys still i mean in in top 5 places you see bh . and same in wc but there big on magneto/ storm/phy team now. well peace Posted by Clockw0rk on 04:02:2001 02:53 AM: uh quote: Originally posted by Lord Doom Then what. I've never been afraid of strider/doom, you can beat that shit by jumping. Err... yeah... because Strider can't super jump when he has Ouro activated, right? Posted by DarthSalamander on 04:02:2001 02:59 AM: quote: Originally posted by Naslectronical Blackheart's definitely top-tier, but low top-tier. Out of the eight top tier characters I'd rank him 7th, one rung above Cyclops. Cable, Spiral, Doom, Storm, Magneto, Sentinel, Strider(w/Doom), Iron Man, War Machine, Capt. Commando, and especially Iceman all give him problems. And a Blackheart or Commando anti-air assist gives him lots of trouble as well. He has to superjump to throw demons and build meter, and these assists knock him out of the air. He can't avoid them, his air dash is too slow, and he can't cancel his dash. Fight fire with fire. He's still top-tier, though His air dash always works for me for getting out of the way of BH and Commando. (shrugs) Posted by PuReELiTE on 04:02:2001 03:10 AM: I say bh is only good for assist. A rush down can easily beat bh down. Even tho he has a good anti air a rush down can destroy him. And as long as you are close to him hes demons can't touch you. And he is wide (very wide) open when he does his demons and dash, remember that. But fighing against the bh assist is a pain in the ass :P. Posted by DeathFromAbove on 04:02:2001 08:08 AM: Hmmmm...here's my take on different "Blackheart" teams, and how they fair against different teams. Blackheart/Doom: Beats rushdown with jumping fierces and Doom assists. Beats trap teams only if Blackheart starts with 3+ levels and a lead. Loses badly to Cable and Strider/Doom. Is at a disadvantage against Doom, Sentinel, or Spiral on point (better control of space for Doom, HSF puts away assists for Sent, and teleports for Spiral, respectively). Has an advantage on Magneto, Storm, or Cyke at point. Side Note: I always lose with this team 'cuz I suck with Doom, so I might be biased. Blackheart/Cyke: This is a rushdown team, that occasionally traps. Very dangerous since 1 connected assist = 1 dead character. Loses badly to Cable, or any trapping team with a Blackheart assist. Can potentially die horribly to good use of anti-airs, since Blackheart can't punish assists worth shit. Then again, could potentially succeed brilliantly due to good use of Cyke-AAA + infinite. This just comes down to execution. This team works better if the 3rd character allows Blackheart to stall for a while (while Cyke heals). Blackheart/Sent: Very similar to BH/Doom. Still beats most rushdown, though with more difficulty. Weak to Cable, Strider/Doom, Sent, or Doom. Does much better against Spiral. Blackheart 1 on 1: Loses to Magneto, Storm, Cable, and Spiral. Or to Doom or Iceman with a lead. Does OK vs. Sent, or Cyke, etc. Oh, and I don't see why Blackheart/Capcom would be anything special. What does this assist give him than any other AAA doesn't? You may now pounce, -DFA Posted by Maximum Burst on 04:02:2001 11:29 AM: you are right about the blackheart/capcom I generally use Blackheart/Sent the same way. Posted by DarthSalamander on 04:02:2001 02:58 PM: quote: Originally posted by DeathFromAbove Oh, and I don't see why Blackheart/Capcom would be anything special. What does this assist give him than any other AAA doesn't? You may now pounce, -DFA Lately there has been a lot of Sent/BH. Sent like Capcom a lot better than Cyke, and having Capcom as a primary assist does not change anything really for BH. Also CapCom AAA hurts a hell of a lot, and can be harder for pixies to deal with(you can triangle jump over Cyke). Posted by DigitalInpulse on 04:02:2001 06:51 PM: Strider/Doom It is real easy to beat strider/doom, especially if used with omega red. Posted by hachihyaku on 04:02:2001 08:03 PM: quote: Originally posted by DeathFromAbove . Oh, and I don't see why Blackheart/Capcom would be anything special. What does this assist give him than any other AAA doesn't? The fact that, when it's reversed with CapCom on point, BH's assist sets up the Captain perfectly to combo into a Captain Sword which hits as they fall all the way down. Posted by FluffyXXL on 04:02:2001 10:17 PM: Re: bh quote: Originally posted by AK Don't go to the WC if you're looking for BH/cyc =) So I take it that means you haven't taken up Spiral yet? And just to let you know, WC does play BH/Cyke. We still aren't overly impressed with it though. We'll discuss this later though. You need to get on IRC more often man. Posted by Naslectronical on 04:03:2001 12:44 AM: quote: Originally posted by DarthSalamander His air dash always works for me for getting out of the way of BH and Commando. (shrugs) Well, your opponents must not be timing it right. Blackheart's air dash is too slow, and he can't cancel it either. Iceman beats BH even if he has Doom. All Iceman needs is a BH or Cap. Commando AAA assist. While that's knocking Doom ass away, Iceman can icebeam Blackheart out of the sky. BH simply can't damage Iceman. Posted by Lord Doom on 04:03:2001 01:58 AM: I have yet to be beaten by a Strider player when I have Blackheart or my team of Blackheart, Doom, and Magneto since I usually start with Magneto. The only time I start Blackheart is against Iceman because contrary to what you say it is possible to damage Iceman with Blackheart and Doom. Posted by Naslectronical on 04:03:2001 02:03 AM: quote: Originally posted by Lord Doom I have yet to be beaten by a Strider player when I have Blackheart or my team of Blackheart, Doom, and Magneto since I usually start with Magneto. The only time I start Blackheart is against Iceman because contrary to what you say it is possible to damage Iceman with Blackheart and Doom. It may be possible, but it's not very likely. Like I said before, I can call an assist to knock out Doom and then icebeam right through your demons. Inferno XX HOD is futile because it doesn't do the slightest pixel of block damage to Iceman. And if at the end of the game it's my Iceman vs your Blackheart, and I have a significant lead, say 30%, you can forget about it. It's over right there. Posted by Clockw0rk on 04:03:2001 03:15 AM: Re: Strider/Doom quote: Originally posted by DigitalInpulse It is real easy to beat strider/doom, especially if used with omega red. I heard the MvC2 machines in Maywood consist of 2 cardboard boxes and tin foil! Posted by DigitalInpulse on 04:03:2001 07:15 AM: Strider/Doom I Heard cockw0rk.com hasen't been updated since 1/14/01...... I mean Clockw0rk.com (sorry) ---Never talk smack about Maywood---- Posted by Clockw0rk on 04:03:2001 07:21 AM: Re: Strider/Doom quote: Originally posted by DigitalInpulse I Heard cockw0rk.com hasen't been updated since 1/14/01...... I mean Clockw0rk.com (sorry) ---Never talk smack about Maywood---- I heard some guy named Jose G.... wait... thats too obvious... I heard some guy named J. Garcia is a cock bobber that likes bobbin on cock before he kisses his mom goodnight. And he sucks at MvC2. Where do these crazy rumors come from??? Posted by Lord Doom on 04:03:2001 02:27 PM: This is what usually happens to Iceman. I play BH/Doom tricks with him while he calls out his assists. What ends up happening is I actaully do more damage to his aasists with the InfernoXXHOD. Once his assists are gone its over. I either just kill him off with BH/Doom, or beat him with say a 100% Magneto or 75% Doom thats left. Posted by Naslectronical on 04:03:2001 04:53 PM: That may be true, but an expert Iceman vs an expert Blackheart has a huge advantage and is usually the victor. I've taken down many Blackhearts that had Doom with Iceman. If you call Doom, I don't even need to call an assist, I can jump back and Icebeam both of you. And like I said before, if I get the lead, it's over. Posted by Mr. Smellypants on 04:03:2001 06:36 PM: quote: Oh, and I don't see why Blackheart/Capcom would be anything special. What does this assist give him than any other AAA doesn't? Are you crazy? WTF are u talking about? CapCom by far is best compliment for sent/bh. Sent/BH is a keepaway team therefore it will have trouble vs a rushdown team, capcorridor is perfect for stopping rushdown. Anyone who gets hit by it gets knocked all the fuck way to the opposite side of the screen. He's also good because capcom just fits the team perfectly whether as assist or point. His capcorridor assist can set up an inferno xx HOD easy and bh's inferno assist can set up a captain sword just as easy. Capcom on point can play a really good keepaway game with sentinel ground assist. Capcorridor is also a really good assist to call out while your fly cancelling with sent. I don't see anybody better to add to the sent/bh team. Cable is no good because sent/bh eats alot of meter and cable needs alot of it for himself, also his AAA is pretty mediocre. Cyc is no good because if your playing him on point you gotta semi-rush to do damage, sent/bh is a keepaway team and he doesn't contribute to it. Doom compliments the team just as well as capcom but the team is helped alot more by capcoms good AAA. Posted by LOVER on 04:03:2001 09:19 PM: I replaced my BH with storm, and it does good let me tell you Posted by Lord Doom on 04:04:2001 03:49 AM: Not to discount you or anything but how are you going to beam both someone super jumping and someone on the ground at the same time. Just an inquirary. All times are GMT. The time now is 11:25 PM. Show all 80 posts from this thread on one page Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.4 Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000, 2001.